Thanks guys ! what i learned .. was that his arching back posture was in relation to his pain now that he is in far less pain he is leveled out ..he still has pain and he gets pain meds as needed which has dropped dramatically from frequently to occasionally . We'll see where he's at with his arthritis in the affected joint when he is re-evaluated. I am really glad we stuck it out with Nigel for all his issues he certainly makes up for it with love and devotion . we kinda share our dogs with our neighbors they have a great love of dogs as well have sled dogs (8) so he actually guards their house as well as mine . when he is out in the yard.
Sincerely Melinda Carver
"'Come to the edge,' He said. They said, 'We are afraid.' 'Come to the edge,' He said. They came. He pushed them...and they flew." Guillaume Apollinaire
No however I believe rickets is caused by a vitamin d or too much calcium deficiency in the diet . He has been diagnose with un-united(sp) acorneal process .
Sincerely Melinda Carver
"'Come to the edge,' He said. They said, 'We are afraid.' 'Come to the edge,' He said. They came. He pushed them...and they flew." Guillaume Apollinaire
If this was the diagnose why wasn't the dog operated on? The growth plate could have been repaired and any fragments removed?
It would also seem odd that your vet would say to reduce the protien in take when your pup needed the protien and exercise (swimming was suggested and would have been the best) to build the muscle around the elbow.
I would find a new vet, ASAP!
[ Edited Sun Jan 11 2009, 09:11PM ] Kathy Johnson Lady of the Lake Kennel Click This Link
i have been to 3 different vets . and he has had his ex rays examined by a specialist. i did reduce the protein levels ..long ago . swimming therapy for dogs is a 2.5 hour drive from my home however thru the summer months he has enjoyed alot of swimming . as for the operation there are from what i understand different schools of thought on removing the plate ....i have gotten 2 different views on matter.
removing the the plate ...causing more instability in the joint and a low success rate for large breed dogs . in fact that it may cause more problems
removing the plate to alleviate pain .
repairing the plate (and removing) i believe has its best chances of success in a young puppy ..and all three vets have stated that at his rate of success with that surgery dramatically dropped with his age being around 9 months old at the time he was diagnosed with arthritis already having set in.
at the time honestly i was considering putting Nigel down ad was advised by many to do so. after a lot of tears i decided to watch and see and keep him as comfortable as i could as long as i could without spending 5000.00 on a surgery with odds already not in his favor at all for success.
one the problem is he was misdiagnosed with pano for months ...had it been caught early on it may have been a different story . as he is now so far he is much better thro which was not really what we expected as far as the pain goes and the posture and his mood and i watch him closely he is with me most the day every day ...
I am having him re evaluated as i have stated he by yet ANOTHER vet and thru the x rays will have an indication as to where things are at and how they have progressed or not .
Its my understanding that the prognoses is grim either way. with or with out surgery
"'Come to the edge,' He said. They said, 'We are afraid.' 'Come to the edge,' He said. They came. He pushed them...and they flew." Guillaume Apollinaire
Please do not get me wrong and I am happy that he seems to be doing better. But what has his quality of life been, being on pain medication for all this time. If he was diagnosed with this at 9 months of age and was operated on and was now living without pain wouldn't it have been worth it. You now say that he has arthritis in this joint, which would have also been the main down side of the surgery.
To many I might sound cruel and mean and that is not my intension, but if this was my dog. I would have done what was every neccessary to aliviate his pain and the know cure for that is surgery and then rebuilding the muscle with swimming. If this was not possible then I would have made the painful choice of putting the animal down, because that is what was best for him/or her. IMO.
Mel, you have to do what you feel is best for your dog and I or anyone else can not make that decision for you. I hope that this is a misdiagnosis and that he will be fine. Kathy Johnson Lady of the Lake Kennel Click This Link
no worries cathy i am not taking this the wrong way at all. he already had arthritis in the joint upon diagnoses. he is taking medicam from time to time ...not on a daily or even weekly basis . to me he is doing much much better and is not in alot of pain no limping no crying no aggression about getting up or down , and his posture has greatly improved as well he is not holding those back legs right under him and moves quite freely .
i understand your point of putting him down . and honestly feel he isn't in a tremendous amount of pain at this time....however once re evaluated we will have a visual of where he is at , and if need be then we will have to make the hard decision ...which really was my plan ..from the start then the day would come ..and couldn't do it then i would book , and the same thing .then i said before we leave for holidays i was going to do it before we left ..then i just couldn't bring myself to do it , maybe it was wrong ...but i just couldn't bring myself to do it I just couldn't do it. so my neighbors who love Nigel as much as i do and actually planed to come with me to put him down each time ...offered to babysit him while we were away and when we got back he was so much better ...and since has been on ester c and glucosimine(sp) and has improved still so i have waited .... maybe i was wrong but now here we are , and i will have him re evaluated . and go from there hopefully have good news either way i will keep everyone posted.
I do appreciate your input and understanding Kathy. and thank you very much for your concern
and as well thanks to all of you have offered support and advice with Nigel. the ones whom i have spoken with on the tele , thru the forum and pm. and Linda as well who has really given alot of great advice and endless support in regards to Nigel.
"'Come to the edge,' He said. They said, 'We are afraid.' 'Come to the edge,' He said. They came. He pushed them...and they flew." Guillaume Apollinaire