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| Karen |
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 | I thought this would make a good topic of discussion, having picked up comments on the chicken poop thread... It's an interesting topic, and one where we can point out not only the pro's and con's of some essential vaccinations, some of the more serious elements of the diseases these vaccinations prevent and also alternatives to innoculation, and do they really work? I use a lot of herbal remedies for my own dogs, but in my personal opinion I believe that just like children, puppies need proven vaccinations at the proper time or they will get ill. Obviously by injecting substances into our bloodstreams or into our pets is not without risk, but we need to seriously weigh up which vaccines are necessarry to protect, not only our dogs but our families too... Obviously RABIES is a good example, and in fact many countries now insist we vaccinate our pets against Rabies for obvious reasons! LEPTOSPIROSIS vaccination only last a year, so it's important the vaccinations like others is done annually. It is an acute bacterial infection which affects humans and animals. The symptoms can vary widely and can cause: Flu like symptoms, kidney failure, jaundice, (weils disease) shock, internal bleeding, and inflammation of the heart. meningitis even death.. It is caused through direct or indirect contact with infected animal urine, or, from animal bites, handling infected animal tissues, swallowing contaminated food or water. The bacteria enters through cuts on the skin or through the eyes, nose and mouth. Therfore if your dog likes swimming or you live near water it may be advisable to have this annual vaccination... DISTEMPER is the greatest single disease threat to the world´s dog population. Over half of the adult dogs that contract the disease die from it and in puppies this rate increases to 80%. Even if a dog does not die from the disease, it can can leave a dog´s nervous system irreparably damaged. would you risk it? PAROVIRUS a serious, deadly threat to an unvaccinated dog population. It is so infectious that virtually anyone or any moving object can become a parvovirus carrier simply by coming in contact with an infected dog's feaces. The virus can survive searing heat and subzero temperatures for long periods of time, and so the virus might remain long after the feaces has been removed. Shoes, paws—you name it—can pick up and carry the virus. Not a direct threat to humans it will kill your dog, and put at risk every other dog in the neighbourhood! This link is a recent article in a UK paper: Click This Link LYME DISEASE is spread by ticks, and can become a significant human health problem. Because the disease is difficult and expensive to diagnose with certainty, there have been few proven cases in dogs. Dogs usually get better and it is not always easily diagnosed therefore it is better to vaccinate to prevent Lymn disease and be certain, especially for dogs that roam in brushy or woodland areas, as they tend to pick up lots of ticks. Those restricted to their own immediate area, gardens or yards, and those living in town and cities rarely get ticks so probably don't need it. Some disease dont seem important to vaccinate simply because it doesn't seem to be 'about', but what people forget is that these diseases are not 'about' simply because the majority of people have vaccinated their pets against it and therefore virtually wiped out the problem... You only have to look at the instances apprearing now in children who were not vaccinated against MMR, approx 5 years ago! Fo the last 4/5 years they were at home, now they are coming into contact with other children who may or may not pick up the diseases from elsewhere, in an enclosed area of the classroom bacteria is spread person to person, child to child. Obviously the dog scenerio differs slightly, but the reasoning is the same... Karen 'Worry is like a rocking chair, keeps you going but gets you nowhere!' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homeward Bound Pet Passport Kennels home of Treloarneo Mastini (France) Visit my web site: Click This Link Homeward Bound Pet Passport Sevice: Click This Link | |||
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| Frank and Jim |
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 | We always give vaccinations to all of our dogs every year. The only disease I have had to deal with is Parvo in a Pitbull that was abondoned on the streets where he contracted it. He was brought to me by a friend when he could no longer walk and he could be caught. With my constant attention and the help of my vet I was able to save him and it is now over 10 years later and I still have the dog. I was told back then that once a dog has had parvo that he becomes immune to it. I am not sure if that is true but I still have him vaccinated for it anyway. I don't like taking chances with parvo as I have seen the disease all too close and it was difficult to keep him hydrated while the antibiotics dealt with the problem. Rabies vaccinations are required by law here and is the only one that has to be given by a vet. All of the others we can do at home which saves a lot of time and money. Frank Warning: She's drinking. Grab that towel! | |||
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| Karen |
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| | Unfortunately all Mollosser type dogs seem to be prone to the Parvo virus... Karen 'Worry is like a rocking chair, keeps you going but gets you nowhere!' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homeward Bound Pet Passport Kennels home of Treloarneo Mastini (France) Visit my web site: Click This Link Homeward Bound Pet Passport Sevice: Click This Link | |||
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| Anna |
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 | I was always told that unless your area is deemed "high risk" for Lepto (generally in the southern US) or your dog hunts small game ie: rabbits, waterfowl,etc that the vaccine can be more trouble than it's worth. This is particularly true in small dogs since they tend to have a negative reaction to the liquid carrier in the vaccine (the same dose is given to all dogs so the smaller the animal, the higher concentration of allergenic stuff) but I've been told of a few cases of medium and large dogs having reactions too. I was also under the impression that the vaccine is only 50-60% effective because there are so many strains of the bacteria. And that since most cases are self limiting, even a dog that does get sick, will not likely become terminally ill. Not that we all shouldn't do everything possible to keep our dogs safe, but I feel like a lot of the vaccines out there pose undue risk to an otherwise healthy dog. "Mais tu ne dois pas l’oublier. Tu deviens responsable pour toujours de ce que tu as apprivoisé." - Le Petit Prince | |||
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| Administrator |
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Administrator | I think here it comes from rats urine but not 100% UGM Admin undergroundmastini Check out the links below Neapolitan Mastiff Photos Useful Links Neapolitan Mastiff Videos Neapolitan Mastiff Health Neapolitan Mastiff Chat RoomNeapolitan Mastiff Boa Forum UK | |||
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| shellydawn |
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 | I believe that vaccinations are very important. Just like children, our pets need to be protected. In the past I went with a typical rutine of a 5 way at 6 and 8 weeks, then a 7 way at 12 and 16 weeks, which worked very well for me, until I raised my first mastiff litter about 6 + years ago. In every litter that we had, at least 1 pup had a reaction, from even a 5 way combination vaccine, if given under 8 weeks, yet I KNOW they need protection. So I tested different schedules and the best one I have found is: neopar (a high titer parvo vaccine that overrides mom's immunity) given at 3 and 6 weeks, then a 5 way combo vac given at 8 - 9 weeks, and a 7 way at 12 and 16 weeks. Now, we have no nasty reactions and my pups are protected. The vets in my area give 7 ways with lepto to all breeds from 5-6 weeks and up. Puppies of any breed, under 12 weeks do NOT do well given lepto. It's very risky! And small breeds are known to have reactions to the lepto vaccine even as adults. Therefore my vets will never vaccinate my pups except for rabies, which is required by law in IL. As for coccidia. Chickens do carry it. However, I have learned after lots of research that SO DO "ALL" DOGS. It is a sporatic parasite that emerges when a pup is stressed. Hence the nick name "stress diareah". It shows up mainly in pups under 6 months or in dogs over 6 months that are extremely stressed with a compromised immune system. It is easily treated with albon, however, you CANNOT kill it. It will always be present in your dog's system. There are many theories on how long to give albon to calm down your dogs system. Some say 5 days, some 10. I am still a little confused on how a sporatic parasite functions, but this is what works for me. If I have a pup that gets the poops, comes to me with the poops, whatever, I worm them out with 3 days of Safeguard or panicure. If they still have it, they start on albon and I do not stop giving it to them until 3 days after their stool is normal. If it takes 2 weeks, then I give for 2 weeks. Some pups pass more spores than others and it takes longer to clear it up, so you must treat it accordingly. SHELLY IRONHIDE MASTIFFS Click This Link BLESSED ARE THE CRACKED FOR THEY ARE THE ONES WHO LET IN THE LIGHT! | |||
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| shellydawn |
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| | Yes Phil, lepto is passed through infected rodent urine. It is very important to keep your dog food in a rodent proof container. SHELLY IRONHIDE MASTIFFS Click This Link BLESSED ARE THE CRACKED FOR THEY ARE THE ONES WHO LET IN THE LIGHT! | |||
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| shellydawn |
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| | Anna. There are many different strains of lepto out there, but to my knowlegde, the combo vaccines that are on the market now, cover all known strains. If you order your vaccines on line, they should list all that is covered. SHELLY IRONHIDE MASTIFFS Click This Link BLESSED ARE THE CRACKED FOR THEY ARE THE ONES WHO LET IN THE LIGHT! | |||
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| Administrator | HIDDEN - YOU MUST BE LOGGED TO SEE UGM Admin undergroundmastini Check out the links below Neapolitan Mastiff Photos Useful Links Neapolitan Mastiff Videos Neapolitan Mastiff Health Neapolitan Mastiff Chat RoomNeapolitan Mastiff Boa Forum UK | |||
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| JLBG |
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 | My family has raised dogs and other animals for years, and we have always given the bare minimum of vaccines. Each animal gets its 3 puppy series and then a one year rabies and after that first year the 3 year rabies (and only because it is the law). Scout is the only dog I have ever had that has had the kennel cough vaccination and that is because I take her to shows. We have only ever had healthy dogs. We don't think alot of the vaccinations are healthy for the animals and it has worked for us. We had a barn cat who had only ever had a rabies shot live to be in her late 20's. And she was completely healthy her entire life. The only time we EVER dealt with Parvo was when we purchased a shepherd pup with it (no knowing it had it). And we have had a LOT of dogs and pups over the years. Lymes is a popular vaccine around here but we refuse to give it as we have heard too many negatives about it. For example, dogs dying from lymes after receiving that shot and others getting incredibly ill. It took us a while but we finally found a vet that agrees with us and tells us not to over innoculate. He is "retired" but does house calls (which also makes our life easier). I take Scout to an actual vet clinic so I can get her weighed periodically and they have tried tricking me into shots she doesn't need numerous times. Jessica | |||
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